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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Aug 1, 2011 7:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Jacky Hughes is not Kochman

I have had something of a history with Jacky H. in the course of which we have been less than pleasant to each other, and I also have a well established habit of saying exactly what I think regarding trolls and assorted other sources of annoyance. I hope, therefore, that it will be acknowledged that I have no hidden agenda here, no reason to back Jacky beyond simply standing up for someone I believe is being wrongfully accused.

I assume that Kochman - whoever 'Kochman' might be - is an American (and I presume no one is going to deny that). Jacky Hughes' use of language and cultural references are very obviously not those of an American. So, based on these differences I'm concluding that Kochman is not Jacky Hughes. If you think that's a weak argument come up with a stronger rebuttal than I've seen so far. I'm staking my forum membership on it.

You need to look at what's actually there - not what you think is there. You might not like what the guy says or how he says it, but that doesn't make him some other guy you don't like either. Accept the fact that there might just be more than one person in the world who doesn't see things quite like you do.

This whole unsavoury business is all too reminiscent of the paranoid witch hunting orchestrated by Cliff and rbnw a few years back that saw the entirely innocent Stephanie Brown hounded off the forum after they accused her of being a troll. If I recall correctly user unknown was accused of being a troll by Cliff around this time too. That was one of the most unedifying episodes in forum history - and there have certainly been a few of those.

If anyone can provide me with incontrovertible proof that the posters Jacky Hughes and Kochman (along with his alleged variants) are one and the same person I will post an unreserved apology and leave this place. I won't accept hearsay, misinterpretations of posts or any other form of wishful thinking. I'm just a little bit weary of the 'we know something you don't know' conspiratorial nods and winks going on between certain posters. Just give me the facts.

It may mean nothing at all, but have you noticed that all of the Tollundism posts, the fake splue posts and all of the posts made under the asinine variants on my poster name have been removed from the Archive? All the Jacky Hughes posts are still there though - a sure indication that whoever he is, he's not someone who bothers the Archive moderators any.

So, over to you. Convince me and I'm gone.

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Poster: Jacky Hughes Date: Aug 1, 2011 9:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: I couldn't give a toss what Dennis thinks

Hi Rab,

Thank you for your kind words. But please, please let this one go.
I know I'm not Rob Koch, and you know I'm not Rob Koch.
More importantly, don't you go leaving on my account, you daft wazzock.

Dennis can think what the hell he wants to, I couldn't care less. He won't run me off the board.
You are right though, this is a tactic he has used in the past against people who face him up. He is a small fish in a small pond.

As ringolevio correctly says, we agreed not to 'bite' in response to trolls.
Dennis does exhibit troll behaviour on occasions (and has self confessed to it). Let's not stoop to his level.
My previous post here was a genuine attempt to get us talking about Jerome and his bands again.

One last thing. Riddle me this; if I am kochman, how would I know about Vic and Bob, Goldie Lookin' Chain and Rab C. Nesbitt ?

Even if kochman had googled Rab C. or watched it on YouTube, he wouldn't understand a word that Gregor Fisher was saying as Rab.

Would I have apologised to you and splue if I were kochman ? I don't think so.

Dennis:
I know who I am and that's all that matters. Troll away Dennis, but I repeat, you won't run me off the board.
Have the admins check me out, I have nothing to hide.

Why do you think there is no letter "i" and "L" in my screen name ? I know what this place is like.

This post was modified by Jacky Hughes on 2011-08-01 16:40:29

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Poster: rastamon Date: Aug 1, 2011 9:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I couldn't give a toss what Dennis thinks

Imo, an example of "trolling" is saying provocative things like "I think Obama is a worse president than Bush" ie, trolling for comments. Lots of established posters here have "trolled" on various subjects. I've quit that political nonsense, at least on the GD sub-forum. Ever been friends with 2 people who hate each other? Here's a sweet ditty >>

People are strange when you're a stranger
Faces look ugly when you're alone
Women seem wicked when you're unwanted
Streets are uneven when you're down

When you're strange
Faces come out of the rain
When you're strange
No one remembers your name
When you're straaaange

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Poster: Jacky Hughes Date: Aug 1, 2011 9:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I couldn't give a toss what Dennis thinks

Nice rasta. That's probably my favourite Doors song.

trolling:

Cliff, you're a twat

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Aug 1, 2011 9:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I couldn't give a toss what Dennis thinks

Whether or not you're actually Kochman is sort of beside the point. Your posts here -- from the very beginning -- seem mostly inspired by anger and bitterness. Try relaxing (deep breaths... herbal tea... yoga?) and posting things more on-topic. I bet the reception would be a little bit warmer, whoever you are.

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Poster: Jacky Hughes Date: Aug 1, 2011 10:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Changing your tune now ?

Well, thank you for your input.
Whoever you are.

This post was modified by Jacky Hughes on 2011-08-01 17:07:53

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 1, 2011 10:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Changing your tune now ?

Truce? I figure I do enough things to creep you out that you could've independently repeated what the ol Kman had to say, so I shouldn't hold that against you, Dan Healy, or anyone else for that matter. But, hope you'll understand that whatever the truth may be, that's all you and I have ever had to post to one another (ie, the things I do that bothered Kman, bother you). So my bad if my assumption was way off...until a gal says I am creepy, I, unfortunately, will no doubt continue to irritate ya, but you've let me know, so perhaps we can move on?

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Poster: Jacky Hughes Date: Aug 1, 2011 12:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Truce

That's good with me William Tell.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Aug 1, 2011 5:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What a joke!

Koch, you might be able to fool Robword and a few others, but your MO here leaves no doubt about the identity of Jacky Hughes.

Youve snipped at, and attacked me here for months before I ever responded to one Jacky Hughes posts. I find it uproariously funny that your hatred of me compelled you post the only negative comments about my xtranormal movies, and I'm thrilled by how incensed you become by my negative comments about 1980's Grateful Dead. I'm looking forward to your future comments on my top-ten lists.

Continue with your bullshit. Youre a troll Jacky, and not even a creative one at that...

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Poster: Jacky Hughes Date: Aug 2, 2011 12:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: I'll offer you a truce:

What a load of self pitying, delusional drivel.

I don't 'hate' you. You are not that important. I just happen to think you are a total twat that's all.

I have given you back similar treatment that I have observed you giving to others on this forum over the years.
Not nice to be on the receiving end is it ?

My snipping at you, which I admit to doing, is small potatoes compared to the crap you've dished out to Hunter Seamons amongst others.
It saddens me to think of the people who you have tried belittle and run off this forum just because you didn't like what they were saying.

I called you out as a troll (and so did high flow) because of this:
"It's quite simple! It's quite fun pushing the buttons of the folks like you and billydillions" and not because you don't like the 1980 Dead. Hoisted by your own petard Dennis.

Get with it matey, get over yourself and come down from up your own arse for five minutes. I couldn't care less what you think.

Like I said, if you think I'm Rob Koch have the admins check my IP. Put up or shut up.

Going forward, you are not going to run me off this board.
So here's a truce: I'll ignore you and you ignore me back.

Deal ?

This post was modified by Jacky Hughes on 2011-08-02 19:27:31

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Aug 2, 2011 11:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I'll offer you a soiled tampon

I'm quite flattered, that my opinions are so importan that you become enraged by comments that I make about 1980's Grateful Dead music. And that you feel so compelled to attack me for a comment I made tongue in cheek over a year ago. Don't you have anything better to do with your time than snipe at me? And who the fuck appointed you a moderator here you pompous sack of shit! Expressing my opinion makes me a troll, you dumb fuck?

And eactly what "crap have I dished out to Hunter Seamons" dumb-ass? And what the fuck business is it of your's anyway? I expressed my opinion about his matrices. What, we are only allowed to post positive reviews here dipshit?

For the record, in an direct attempt to make peace with Hunter, I reflected his work quite positively in my xtranormal movie. Of course the fact that these movies went viral incensed you for some reason, which can only bethe result of your sadly misguided hatred of me.

Ignore you? I have been pretty much ignoring you for the entire brief period that you have been posting here you loser. I actually pity you and the darkness within which you obviously live. I cant even recall responding to a Jacky Hughes post. Youre actually quite easy to ignore. Virtually nothing you have ever commented on here is related to music. Nothing but hatred. You have not contributed anything here more valuable than a used condom...

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Poster: Jacky Hughes Date: Aug 2, 2011 12:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I'll offer you a soiled tampon

Tosser

Wooooooh get you !

Careful Dennis, you'll give yourself a heart attack.

Ignoring you ...

Now !

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Poster: Skobud Date: Aug 2, 2011 1:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I'll offer you a soiled tampon

Hey Dooshbag -

Dont you remember blabbing endlessly about Europe and how your ex-wife is Italian...How much you love the U.K. Remember? You told me at least ten times about Europe and how you were going to move there. Spoof your IP and study up on European culture for the last ten years - poof - now you are someone else.

I always call you an idiot but I never called you dumb. I have to hand it to you here Koch, your perseverance has paid off. I ve been out of the loop a few days and I see you have been amazingly busy and persuasive. Too bad your amazing attention to detail cannot be used for something productive. You plastic coward, WTF happened to you?


The whole thing has always been Cliff Vs. Koch. It always has been even before my time. Thats specifically how Dennis and I know. You never stop. Ever. There is no bigger tell than that.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Aug 2, 2011 3:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I'll offer you a soiled tampon

Thanks Tim. Jacky Hughes is so obviously Kochman he's not worth responding to.

Robword is a good guy, but he has a long and storied history here of taking himself too seriously. He probably got bored and felt like starting some shit here. He's so wrong about JH not being Koch. But he will never admit that he's wrong...

This post was modified by Cliff Hucker on 2011-08-02 22:27:36

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Poster: rastamon Date: Aug 2, 2011 11:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I'll offer you a soiled tampon

imo, this does not sound like you. Since I've been more or less awol, I'm not sure of anyone with a small "L" in their handle anymo. Please PM me on Facebook to confirm if it is

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 1, 2011 1:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Truce

Very cool; besides, if you are anyone else (which I really could give a rat's ass--what's it matter, right? We're on the frickin web for crying outloud), you are so good at it, WTF? I mean that as a compliment. Post to the post, NOT the poster (or who you think they are, blah, blah, blah).

And, I do know that many here initially were quite put off by my "airs" (ahem), and I am not sure it helps any when they find out it's really just who I am, but there you have it. I slowly became "close" to a number that initially threw up at any number of my posts, I am sure.

Anyone with Rob in their corner is fine by me.

And, as friends/colleagues/fellow forumites, if I may, are you from the north of Rob somewhere's on the Isle? Or do I have that assumption wrong? No worries if you'd rather not answer...

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Poster: Jacky Hughes Date: Aug 2, 2011 9:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Truce

You mean as in Rob's comment "Comedy Northerner" ?

Well, I don't know where Rob is located or even which part of Scotland he's originally from.

I live south of Scotland, not even in the true north of England. I'm in the east midlands. Sort of between Nottingham and Lincoln - Robin Hood country if you like.

And where are you in that vast continent of North America ?

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 2, 2011 10:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Truce

Ah--he was spot on; haven't been, but loved spending time in London, Brit Museum and all. Given my ancestors, I've spent more time on the Emerald Isle to your west (as explained below, "green" is a rare color hereabouts).

I am in the arid Southwest, the Sonoran Desert of southern Arizona. If you enjoy Westerns, you've no doubt seen what this hot as blazes country can look like--I love it, but I am a tree-hugging nature lover, blah, blah, blah, esp enamored of scaly critters, which abound here, obviously.

SDH and I, and a couple of others, call this face-melting heaven home. Let us know if you ever visit and we'll be sure to have our 33 round clips inserted in our sidearms with the safety "on"....I know we shouldn't joke about firearms, but the debates about such issues locally make you want to laugh, trust me. Last count, SDH had purchased enough at the local sporting goods outlet to outfit a small to moderate sized Third World nation with all manner of weaponry.

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Poster: Jacky Hughes Date: Aug 2, 2011 12:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Truce

"Last count, SDH had purchased enough at the local sporting goods outlet to outfit a small to moderate sized Third World nation with all manner of weaponry."

Why does that not surprise me ?

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Poster: rastamon Date: Aug 2, 2011 12:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Truce

...because it's not you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v31wwyteRqo

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Poster: rastamon Date: Aug 2, 2011 12:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Truce

one or both of you are frauds. I'll have to turn up my power of discernment, later-jackypoo

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Poster: Jacky Hughes Date: Aug 2, 2011 12:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Truce

And your proof is ?

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Poster: rastamon Date: Aug 2, 2011 12:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Truce

I KNOW Cliff is a good person, mr newbiewhoever, proof? I don't need no stinkin proof! I'm ignoring you, starting... NOW! bye

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Aug 1, 2011 10:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Changing your tune now ?

No, not changing my tune at all. Just pointing out the obvious. If you don't want people to think you're K, then stop acting like him. Easy enough!

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Aug 1, 2011 7:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jacky Hughes is not Kochman

I'm sorry Rob, with all due respect (and I mean that sincerely), I can't subscribe to this ( I never associated "Splue" or "Tollunsism" with Kochman, and all the facts point to Jacky being Koch with his axe to grind against me. It's uncanny how dark.stars and Jacky so frequently post within minutes of each other

Drag up all the ancient history you'd like, you're quite wrong about this one. And even if you're right, Jacky Hughs is certainly a complete asshole...

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Poster: rastamon Date: Aug 1, 2011 7:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jacky Hughes is not Kochman

Well, we all have our moments (usually when PWD)-Posting While Drunk-haha. But imo,Cliff is a standup guy and decent person who's dared to meet and be friends with several forumites. Certainly the guy I go to concerning 60's to 70's GD. I don't contribute much, but get a LOT of good GD tips on grate shows. I thank you all!

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Aug 1, 2011 7:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jacky Hughes is not Kochman

I stand corrected, with apologies to JH. Also, very happy that the moderators have stepped in and cleaned up the mess.

Lastly, I would not want you to depart under any circumstances. Your wit would be sorely missed.

Now, where were we?

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Poster: sjanderson82 Date: Aug 1, 2011 7:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jacky Hughes is not Kochman

straight up LOL at all you corny 40+ goons getting riled by a troll and freaking out like little babies.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Aug 1, 2011 7:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jacky Hughes is not Kochman

try +64!!! haha (gulp)

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Poster: rastamon Date: Aug 1, 2011 9:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jacky Hughes is not Kochman

.

This post was modified by rastamon on 2011-08-01 16:16:00

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Poster: rastamon Date: Aug 1, 2011 8:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jacky Hughes is not Kochman

this thread comment sequence seems mixed up, but I am a prannet and troll - to some extent, though not a multi-poster for at least 3yrs (cosmicharlie)

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Aug 1, 2011 7:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jacky Hughes is not Kochman

You're still a prannet. And you can still fuck off.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Aug 1, 2011 7:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jacky Hughes is not Kochman

I'll grant you that! I am fairly anti-social *hugz*

I'd redezvous with Janet
Quite near the Isle Of Thanet
She looked more like a gannet.
She wasn't 'alf a prannet.
Her mother tried to ban it
Her father helped me plan it
and when I captured Janet
She bruised her Pomegranite

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Aug 1, 2011 10:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jacky Hughes is not Kochman

The only thing worse than being talked about is NOT being talked about.

The day you, an exemplary haggis-munching, sheep-bothering, kilt-dropping eejit, no longer share your self-serving, ego-bloated, rarely on-topic thoughts here is a day I think we all shall rue.

Don't let the bastards get you down and most definitely don't let them shut you up...that's my job.

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Poster: Jacky Hughes Date: Aug 1, 2011 12:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jacky Hughes is not Kochman

It's about time you showed up. Where have you been while all the hoo-hah was going on ?

Anyway, we need you to persuade the soft lad not to clear off.
If anyone can do it, you can.

"kilt-dropping eejit" - careful now, people will think that you're kochman.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Aug 1, 2011 12:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jacky Hughes is not Kochman

"...people will think that you're kochman"

Now that wouldn't be too much of a stretch. Afterall, what better disguise than to be the opposite? Kind of a Jeyll and Hyde situation. Perhaps Kochman is my doppleganger? Ahh, I love a good mystery.

As for my absence during the recent exchanges, I found a much more interesting and productive use of my time. But now that I've successfully concluded watching the paint dry on my recently destroyed cubicle, I guess I can come back.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Aug 1, 2011 1:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jacky Hughes is not Kochman

likely story buddy! whats with those 2 large "i" in yer name, huh?? :-)

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Aug 1, 2011 1:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jacky Hughes is not Kochman

Damn! He's on to me.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Aug 1, 2011 1:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jacky Hughes is not Kochman

gotta tell you, when I came back to the forum @3 daze ago before Jeff cleaned it up, I thought it was a hellwarzone!
Hey, that 3/4/11 Furthur Show IS one of their best
http://www.archive.org/details/furthur2011-03-04.sbd.official.113355.flac16

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 1, 2011 5:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jacky Hughes is not Kochman

EEEeeeuuuwww?! "On to me"?

I shudder at the thought...

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Aug 2, 2011 4:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jacky Hughes is not Kochman

Took you long enough. I was worried you might have actually grown up.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Aug 1, 2011 8:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jacky Hughes is not Kochman

Wait a minute, didn't you just yesterday agree not to talk about this anymore? :)

Just a thought: can't we talk about the Grateful Dead!!!!!!!

p l e a s e

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Aug 1, 2011 8:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jacky Hughes is not Kochman

I agreed not to respond to trolls insofar as I recognised that I was being trolled. Defending someone who I believe has been wrongly accused of being a troll is something quite different. Who knows, by the end of the day you may never have to put up with my smartass attitudes ever again!

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Aug 1, 2011 9:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jacky Hughes is not Kochman

I think you're being a bit silly. Nobody wants you to leave - certainly not! (Well maybe some people do, but just ignore them.) We just want to talk about the Grateful Dead instead of all this crap!

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Aug 1, 2011 9:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jacky Hughes is not Kochman

Oh I can be more than just a bit silly now and then! I think what I am at the moment is tired, cranky, frustrated and disgruntled, and more than anything fed up with the unsubstantiated accusations and innuendo. I honestly don't care if everyone here except you and me is Kochman. Of course I don't think that's true, but nor do I believe that Kochman is as multi-headed as the likes of skobud and Cliff would have us believe. I'll be a lot happier if I never see another 'you're an idiot, Rob (Kochman)' response. I'd like to feel positively engaged again but all I am right now is cynical.